Alternative Contact Section
Conference with Lyssa Royal
[Note: The following is an excerpt from CompuServe's UFO
Forum during an online conference with Lyssa Royal.]
Moderator: Welcome to tonight's conference with special
guest Lyssa Royal Holt. Lyssa is the author of Visitors from
Within, Preparing for Contact, and The Prism of Lyra. She holds
a B.A. in psychology and is an internationally known channel,
author, and lecturer from Arizona.
Lyssa recently returned from a trip to the UK, touring the crop
formations, and has also traveled to Egypt and Mexico in her
research. Lyssa has a CSETI working group in Phoenix, Arizona,
and has done many workshops around the country and world on
Preparing for Contact.
Lyssa would like to discuss her latest crop circle research, the
connections with ET contact, the importance of grass roots ET
contact programs, impact of ETs as depicted in the media, and
more. Welcome Lyssa!
Lyssa: Thank you all for being here. I love doing these
forums, they are great fun. I encourage all of you to ask
whatever questions you wish to ask. I'd like to get as in depth
as we can. To start with, there is a feeling in the air that
we've reached a turning point. This turning point seems to be
marked by the movie Independence Day. For me personally, my
first visit to England and seeing the crop circles really drove
home the reality of the phenomenon. One would think that since I
work with it all the time that I already believe it, so to speak.
But, nothing beats experiencing tangible evidence--anomalous
phenomena-- to get your mind juices rolling.
Today I would like to discuss many different subjects on the
order of the following: Where do we go from here now that there
seems to be more openness, even in the form of fiction? What is
happening in England and what are the ramifications of those
experiences for mankind? How can we begin to take responsibility
for the contact phenomenon as individuals and as committed
groups? These are just some basic questions but we can start
from there and then go deeper if we want. I certainly do feel
that we have a responsibility to handle this "coming out"
of UFO information in a responsible fashion without adding to
all the fear and paranoia and disinformation that is out there.
This means that we have to be very, very discerning in what we
choose to believe and to spread to other people. It means that
we look at the whole of mankind and the future of ET contacts as
what is at stake.
We are truly at a turning point in history and in a place where
we can create history by how we handle this delicate subject
matter. It is obvious that if left to the governments, it won't
be handled in a way that would make us proud. Do we want secrecy
to rule our lives into the 21st century? These are just some
questions, rhetorical they may be, for you to chew on a bit. So,
why don't we jump in with both feet and start with questions and
Question: Having just returned from the UK, do you
believe the British government is involved in a cover-up?
I don't believe they are involved in a cover-up any more than
any other government is! Even though I have been to the UK I
don't know enough about their government and their history with
the ET phenomenon to give you an educated answer to that
question. However, it does seem to me that there is a force
greater than an individual that seems to be orchestrating [the
release of] this ET information planetwide. I hate to admit that,
but it really seems to be true. I think the reason for the lack
of the release of information, on a very basic human level, has
more to do with our slowness at dealing with phenomena we don't
understand. We like everything put in a box for us and when it
doesn't fit in that box, we have to find other ways to digest
Question: Why do you say "no more than any other
government?" And, what evidence is there of this
orchestration and international manipulation?
When you have situations like the alien autopsy TV show being
released in several countries all over the world within the same
few days . . . that sure seems orchestrated to me! (Germany,
Australia, the USA, and Japan, to name a few).
Question: One of the main themes of your book
"Preparing for Contact" is the reintegration of the
various parts of ourselves internally -- the idea that we must
do inner work before we are really ready for meaningful contact.
You said that you sense a turning point is at hand. (Hope you
don't take this too personally, ;-) but can you tell us a little
bit about how you see this change occurring in your own life, in
the sense that what is without is a reflection of what is within?
I sense the turning point has to do with the fragmentation of
our own consciousness as individuals which is reflected in the
mass consciousness as well. When you have a "body"
that begins releasing its secrets (even in a fictionalized way)
that frees up energy for the integration to take place. Secrets
are like big roadblocks, and when there are too many in the way,
a being cannot move forward into evolution. Once they begin
being released, the force released for change is tremendous. I
that this is true for people as well, even though you don't see
the results yet (or maybe we haven't learned to recognize them).
I suspect we are freeing tremendous energy within ourselves (and
our mass consciousness) to use for transformation.
Question: Don't you think that more and more people and
groups will learn to have telepathic contact with ETs?
Yes, more people are becoming more telepathic, but yet again, if
there are too many "secrets" in the way, you can't
have smooth communication. It really all boils down to personal
evolution, which affects planetary evolution. We can't escape
that we're all connected.
So your sense of this being a turning point -- does this mean
you sense that many people have made significant progress
towards this reintegration? It seems psoriatic to me at best!
I do believe so, yes. Otherwise, we could not have had a
blockbuster movie (as an example) disclosing these "secrets"
even in a fictionalized way. I know it seems psoriatic, but the
evolutionary process is not linear, so we can't delineate steps
to follow. It kind of unwinds wherever it can.
Did you or the CSETI group establish real contact in terms of
boarding a ship or on a personal level, or do you have any
indication that it will happen in the near future? And, do you
believe we are dealing with a group of aliens that work together
or do they all have their own agendas?
If you've read my book Preparing for Contact this answer may
make more sense. Our brain wave states and the brain wave states
of the ETs are so different. The reality we deem to be the
"real" one is ego-dominated and anything that happens
outside of the ego-dominated realm is considered pure fantasy by
society and even by ourselves. So yes, I believe that CSETI (and
other groups) have already had successful boardings. However,
because our brain waves shift during the contact process and we
leave the ego-dominated realm (that dominates memory), we "wake
up" and seem to have lost our memories of contact. Then the
question becomes, "How can we access these memories or
experiences?" My research team has been trying to do this
through dream states, synchronous dreaming, and other tools that
can tell us if a contact has happened outside of that
ego-dominated realm. So yes, I do think it has already happened,
but in terms of it happening in our ego state, it is not likely.
It is a process of our own evolution to get us less anchored to
the ego. Then, the real contact begins.
The common question people ask at this point is, "Why do
some contactees like Billy Meier remember their experiences?"
My research indicates that either the contactee is "wired"
differently (less ego-dominated), or the ETs themselves are
lesser evolved and can somehow match our brain wave states.
Pretty far out stuff, hmm?
Regarding the ETs, my research indicates that there are pockets
of ET contact teams (like the one I work with led by Sasha, a
Pleiadian, whom I channel) and there are some others who operate
independently. However, even though some of them work separately,
it seems most have a common goal at heart.
Question: What do you think about the idea that ETs are
often beings from our future and therefore must be careful
because they are concerned with screwing with the space/time
continuum? Could they be why they seem to be in on the cover-up?
(I don't think all of them are from the future).
Personally, I don't believe that there is only one time line, so
the idea of screwing up the future doesn't work here. For
instance, Sasha has said that she comes from 300 or so years in
the future. People ask her then, "What happens in the 21st
century?" She has answered that her past may be different
from our future. It is all a matter of what we make it and that
there are many threads of reality to experience. I never used to
understand all this stuff, but while in the channeling state I
experience nonlinearity firsthand and I can finally understand
I think that the ETs truly respect the fact that we must make
our own choices. They seem to think there are severe
ramifications on them "karmically" if you will, to
mess with another species' time line.
You mention "secrecy" often. Is it futile to hope for
governments on a worldwide level to admit that this phenomenon
as a whole is inherently noncontrollable? Further, could it be
said that ego-dominated mankind must be approached on a
grassroots level, bypassing those organizations who maintain the
It is going to seem like I am not addressing the question
directly, but I think the point is that we shouldn't wait for
the governments to acknowledge it. So what if they do? Will it
change anything? How can we trust them even if they did?
Paradigm shifts happen WITHOUT government intervention! Yes, I
believe strongly in your last comment. The grass roots level
gets the job done. I'm on my soap box a bit!
Question: Do you have any ideas about the progression of
After spending time in the crop circles this summer , it
seems like we can use the circles to gauge how the contact
phenomenon is progressing. Again, this phenomenon is not linear
and so it is frustrating, but it seems like the following is
*Secrecy is falling away
*More people are being contacted
*More people are remembering contact
*More people are going out in the field initiating contact from
a place of love rather than fear
*More people who are having "abduction" experiences
are using those experiences as tools for their own growth, thus
transforming the fear
*More people are gathering evidence
*More people are speaking openly
Should I go on? :) If I were an ET, I'd surmise the following:
Planet Earth is beginning to open to the idea of contact. Earth
is throwing away the trash (secrets) so they can truly see
what's there. Humans are reaching out to ETs. The list goes on.
Sasha says we are ripe. But, it is like an unwinding coil and
we're not done unwinding yet.
Question: Isn't it interesting that Independence Day
portrayed ETs as murderous?
I suspect that it represents our own dark selves that need to be
purged as we look into the unknown. I was amazed (and pleased)
that the focus was not on the ETs, but on the humans who banded
together in bravery and pride.
Question: Other movies have been made in the past with
similar plots. Why do you think this represents a turning point?
It has to do with the timing. If you look at the TV and all the
shows on now, there is a force building in the mass
consciousness. Even though the TV show Encounters and others
have done segments on Area 51, it still wasn't really mainstream.
ID4 was mainstream! I think ID4 is a piece of the puzzle that
other movies and TV shows helped to create. It is all connected.
I didn't mean to pick ID4 out to the exclusion of all others.
Question: Speaking of CSETI, what techniques do you use
in trying to initiate contact? Lights, sounds, etc.? What do you
see in the future for contact? And why does everything seem to
be in the form of a triangle?
I am a member of CSETI (the Arizona coordinator) so I do use
their techniques, which include light, sound, and thought.
However, I have the advantage (at least I think so :) of being
able to channel so my contact Sasha gives me all sorts of new
ideas to use out in the field. I use the lights, but Sasha has
given me an exercise using colored lights (red, green, blue) and
a certain sequence for flashing them. She says that his process
helps to integrate the forces of thought, emotion, and action
within the human. She says the lights are not the magic, but the
internal work is the magic.
I just finished creating a video that teaches this technique
because so far, it has been so successful. We have had CE-5s
nearly 80% of the time during the six months of using it. And
yes, I am particularly fond of triangles -- the red, green, blue
idea works on the 3 sets of 3 principle that she stresses
By the way, I was amazed to hear that Whitley Strieber heard the
same information (the knocks in 3 sets of 3) with his contacts.
Anyway, we attempt to use the triangles in the field in whatever
way we can. Sasha has said that there is a universal template
based on three. One polarity, it's opposite, and the integration
of the two making the third point. Since this is a universal
template, it can be used as a universal foundation for
Question: How can we get that tape?
For the video, click here to take you to the Video List on our
homepage. The video is called The Preparing for Contact Field
Training Guide. For information on the audio tapes of the
Fibonacci music series and how to use it in the field to
initiate contact, see tapes #181, #183, and #186 listed on our
homepage under Audio Tapes . Sorry to sound like a salesman, but
many people ask!
Question: I think that the point you made about time not
being linear but simultaneous is of extreme importance for us to
understand if we are going to venture into the multidimensions.
Everything that is going to happen is happening, it is only a
question of learning how to enter into that dimension. We have
to train ourselves to understand what reality is all about. Many
experiences are happening in a different realm, and we think it
is only here. If we understand this, we will understand the
so-called aliens. Sasha is a smart lady! The internal work we
have to do is of extreme importance as space doesn't exist. It
is just an illusion. We have to go within, instead.
I couldn't have said it better myself! The first place we need
to look is within ourselves. If we lose track of that, we get
lost in a maze of illusions.
Question: The theory of a pre-life agreement between
aliens and abductees has been presented a lot. Was that info
channeled and how does that fit in a mutual learning process? It
seems that I agree with you on a lot of things but that doesn't
make sense for me. It sounds more like a form of escapism -- a
way out of a complex problem that we have yet to solve instead
The concept of a prebirth agreement really pushes a lot of
buttons for some people I've spoken to, because it makes them
feel like they are just puppets. I look at it this way: I must
have known what I was doing when I set up this life before I was
born from a bird's eye perspective. But while I'm here now, I am
free to make my life what I want it to be. This keeps the
responsibility back on us. It doesn't become escapism, or an
easy way out to play the victim role. This is what I try to
in some of the books and tapes. If, for instance, we are
abductees, instead of getting tangled up in the fear, I should
ask myself, "How can I use this experience to further my
growth?" So what if it is a prebirth agreement? I am living
in the now. What can I do NOW? That is really what counts. Too
many people actually use the prebirth excuse to keep themselves
Question: The problem remains that there was force used.
If we close our eyes to that, what next?
It comes down to this: Nothing exists outside of us. We can make
at least two choices in this life. Do we want to believe that we
create our reality? Or, do we want to believe that we can be
victims to the will of another? Each of us has to decide which
statement we are going to believe. Once we choose the one by
which we wish to live, then reality starts to shape itself to
that statement. If one wishes to stop being a victim, then they
MUST change their premise by which they live. There is no
getting around that one. This doesn't mean that there aren't
"bogeymen" out there, but it does mean that you'll be
more obvious bait with a premise that you are a victim. I am
cutting to the chase here because I feel this is a KEY to
personal power and freedom on this planet. We MUST stop blaming
everyone else for what happens to us.
Question: Do you feel that everything we are seeing on
television (especially the frequency of these shows as well as
all the movies) could be indirectly motivated by the government
to try and start raising the consciousness of Americans to what
will be coming?
Yes, I do agree with that statement but I do want to define
"government" for a moment. It is my belief that it
isn't the "government" per se, but whatever planetary
forces are guiding our development -- be they
"positive" or "negative". Clinton certainly
isn't doing this! Think for a moment about the recent
announcement about life on Mars. Whomever is shaping this has
gone very far back in an evolutionary time line to begin
grooming us for the inevitable "they are out there"
speech. It is kind of fun to watch!
Question: You say that "we" create our own
reality (which I agree with) but isn't that down the line?
Enmasse ... our thoughts create the movies. We are being
enlightened because it is happening to us individually. It is
the way everything works. We as a planet create everything that
Yes, but we have to start with making choices on a personal
basis about what we wish to experience. Reality follows down the
line. However, most people forget they have a choice and a say
in the matter!
Question: Could it be that the powers that are here today
wanted a gradual awareness to a presence that has been here for
some time, and that the last few years have been an onramp to
this particular highway?
Truly well said. I think so, yes.
Question: Please tell us about your trip to England to
study the crop circles.
I'll give a brief summary of what happened when we were in
England. Many of you have read the report [on my homepage called
Crop Circle Report, July 1996 ]. We got there shortly after the
DNA helix at Alton Barnes was formed. It is quite extraordinary
and we got to do nighttime fieldwork inside the formation. One
night we had anomalous sounds appear and one
of our members had his room key in his camera bag. The key was
bent mysteriously at a 90-degree angle! We were playing signals
on a walkie and we received answering signals through the walkie
while the walkie's transmit button was depressed and in the
sending mode. (You should only be able to receive signals while
it is in the reception mode.) The highlight was that 7 group
members (myself not included) went back into the formation and
heard a sound they described as follows: "If Hollywood made
a UFO movie, this is the sound they would use to depict the
UFO". It was as loud as a car horn and the sound stretched
the length of the crop formation. My research group here in
Arizona has been obsessed with using the Fibonacci mathematic
sequence out in the field for our work. We hoped we could use it
in England, but we never did. While at Stonehenge, Shari Adamiak
(from CSETI) and I were discussing the Fibonacci and our wish to
use it in contact work. Two days after we left Stonehenge for
London, the formation of the "Julia Set" appeared
which represents either a Fibonacci or logarithmic spiral. To
me, that confirmed our desire to incorporate the Fibonacci in
our fieldwork. To say we were excited is an understatement!
Participating in the conference are two people who were on my
tour and were part of the 7 who were in the formation on the day
of the loud noise. I'll let them recount what they experienced.
We seven entered the crop circle and we individually found the
spot in the circle where Sasha said we should go to. (It was the
spot were we felt best as individuals). We did our work
individually and after a few minutes we heard this loud sound.
As we became excited, the sound stopped. After a few minutes we
calmed down and we heard the sound again. Again we became
excited and again [the sound stopped].
Interesting. This confirms a theory that Ron [Lyssa's husband]
and I have been playing with about how energy fragments when a
group experiences contact. They become individually excited
instead of staying in the flow of the contact.
We feel strongly that the group energy has to be in harmony in
order to experience contact.
Question: I am very much interested in hearing the
technical details of the Fibonacci information. Are there any
references available to this yet? Also, Lyssa, what are your
future plans? Any US workshops? I see you will be in South
Africa next month. You sure get around!
I wish I had technical details on the Fibonacci information! I
was not a math major, that is for sure. Sasha talks about it on
some of my tapes, so you can [refer to the tape catalog on the
homepage at Audio Tapes and look for information on tapes # 183,
181, 186 for the details.]
Question: What do you think about dolphins on ET contact
I think it is an idea whose time has come. I had put together an
event on a dolphin research ship off the coast of Spain. It was
set to happen in June of 1996 but we had to cancel due to lack
of interested parties (and $$ of course). Our goal was to do
dolphin/whale contact during the day and ask them to help us
with our ET contact and use them as intermediaries to help us
open up the ET contact at night. I think it might still happen
some day when the time is right. I think it is a great idea!
Comment: Did you think perhaps you were being contacted
by an alternate group of yourselves that were working with
breaking the dimensional barrier? You are a high-energy group
and your excitement may have lost the focus. Keep trying! That
is what is happening with some of the "aliens" who are
only partially seen.
I think there is a lot of truth to that statement. Sasha claims
to be a "future" me, from the Pleiades, and many on
her contact team have counterparts on my Earth team. So, all we
really do is contact ourselves, anyway!
We had an amazing contact event last January . It was cold
so we didn't go outside. Instead, Sasha took my contact team
(through meditation) to another planet where a group of ETs were
trying to make contact with other ETs! (They too, like us,
haven't openly entered the galactic community). Sasha showed us
how to play the ETs for this alien contact team so we could
learn what the Pleiadians go through when they contact us! It
was enlightening, and will be detailed in a book someday. The
contact was VERY real and my human team all had simultaneous
experiences as if we had entered a room together. We just
shifted dimensions. We each assigned ourselves to one of the
alien contact team members and then contact that person. Each of
us humans had to deal with the emotional bodies of the alien
group we were contacting, and that was quite enlightening
too! We really saw what we put the ETs through when they try to
contact us! What a trip! :)
Comment: Lyssa, that was fascinating. Maybe what really happened
is that your group and the Pleiadian group changed places!
Yes, the experience made me feel like we each are the only ones
who exist in our own universes, and all we do is contact
different aspects of ourselves anyway.
Question: Lyssa, what do you think the crop circles mean?
I think there are as many answers to that question as there are
crop circles, and maybe more! However, I am beginning to be
interested in one aspect that has to do with the idea of the
crop circles being giant acupuncture/homeopathic encoders into
the Earth grid. For instance, the DNA helix formation happened
right on the St. Michael ley line. Ley lines have always been
known to be places on the Earth where one can access the whole
earth -- like a meridian in the body where a giant acupuncture
needle can be placed and information can be "sent"
(much like frequencies are sent to the body in homeopathic
medicine). The fact that the Alton Barnes formation resembled
DNA and it was on a major ley line is a serious message to me. I
think we are being given information or energy that is directly
connected to our DNA and it is being put directly into the grid
of the Earth. The other formation at Stonehenge [the Julia Set]
is of tremendous interest to me because of the following:
In the Flower of Life workshop by Drunvalo Melchizedek (my
husband used to be a facilitator for this course) he speaks
about a brick-lined hole in the desert floor within a mile of
the great pyramid in Egypt. He says that this point marks the
beginning point of a logarithmic spiral that unwinds over the
Earth and passes through the sacred sites. So, here we are at
Stonehenge and a logarithmic (or Fibonacci) spiral appears in
the crop within a mile or so of a major sacred site. The
situation seems hauntingly familiar to Drunvalo's claims about
the Egyptian spiral.
While we were there, Busty Taylor dowsed Stonehenge and found
that lines of energy ran like a pinwheel out of the center of
Stonehenge. I am sure one of these lines of energy hits the
Julia Set formation. So again, some serious information or
energy is being encoded into the grid which will pass through
all the sacred sites on Earth. I feel in my bones that this is
of MAJOR significance. My mind (the logical, linear part) can't
comprehend the enormity of it nor understand what it means. But
I FEEL it is very, very significant. This is also why I feel we
are at a major planetary crossroads right now.
Question: Do you think that the energy of these ley lines
are connected in some way to the mass consciousness, or the
morphogenetic field, and so is used by the ETs or someone to
send messages to us that would awaken something within our
Absolutely! I am convinced that somehow a message, information,
or energy is being directly downloaded into the morphogenetic
field of our planet through these formations -- especially the
formations that reflect the principles of sacred geometry.
Moderator: Thanks for being our guest tonight. It was
wonderful and very informative.
Thank you all for being here and for the great questions. I hope
you will continue being pioneers.